Involving Genetics in Litters?

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Well, I come from another site, and over there they're really big on genetics for litters and such. I was wondering if you guys have anything like that over here. I'm training in genetics too, so if there isn't, and people are interested in incorporating it here, I could gladly help! It would make for a more realistic RP, in my opinion.

Ummm....I don't know if I can be as thorough as that but here's the info for me [Honeyflower] and Flamesoul, if and when we have our kits.

King/Tom's Phenotype: light brown [mackerel? Classic?] tabby with medium[?] ginger fur

Queen Phenotype: seal/chocolate brown point/mink with short golden fur

There you go. I can't wait to see the results.

Hello werepyer,

While this looks interesting, it does seem rather complicated and I'm not sure if all the members here would fully comprehend this system.

Let's have some further comments and discussions here, and I'll also ask the site owner and talk it over with some of the Tech Team to see if they have any comments as well.

With that said, what does everyone think of this?

I say we should give this a test drive. And if it doesn't work as well here as over there well C'est la Vie, if it's not meant to be, it's not meant to be. But still, we should try it first.

Toms are annoying. They go by sires, kings, fathers, toms, males, etc. There's a long list for their names...x.x
BACK ON TRACK

So...mackerel=stripey, classic=blotchy/marbled/bull's-eye. Also, judging from your avatar picture, I'm sure that she's a chocolate mink[She has aqua eyes]. Also, Flamesoul is a red classic tabby[short fur for sure] since I took a look at his avatar pic. I don't really understand your brown tabby w/ red fur thingy..... :\

I'm still a bit of a n00b at the harder litters, so please excuse any mistakes and stuff...I simplified it a LOT, so don't expect too many possibilities. If I did a full genome......god, that'd be a lot of time...

Red classic tabby x Brown mink

Male: Black
Female: Black tortoiseshell, Black tortoiseshell tabby

Kits can have any color eyes but blue.

Kits will all have short fur.

Tabbies will all be classic

I'm really sure that I missed a bunch of things, or maybe it's because I made almost everything homozygous....



EDIT:
Oh, I'm okay with all of that. Honey explained that to me already. I'm just doing this litter because Honeyflower asked me to...I'm just training, and I'm making all the litters simpler since I'm only a beginner who still needs to do her homework...

I meant he was a ginger tom with brown tabby markings, but didn't know how to say it otherwise.
my eyes are suppose to be sky blue like my mother's (Lotusflower) [but I guess that's genetically impossible to happen].

Hmmm....wow.
These results are not at all what I expected.......Thanks anyways.

That's the beauty[and frustration] of genetics! I could've added more stuff, which would've added more options, but I didn't have the time, sorry. I researched all my stuff, so it's in the ballpark, at least. Um, if Honeyflower was to have blue eyes, she would be a point. I cross-referenced her pictures though, and she wasn't one, she was a mink. Sorry.

Also, about tabby markings. The tabby markings are still red, it's just a bit darker. The markings and the base color are not two different things.

I agree with Honeystar. I think we should give it a go and see what happens. Maybe it will turn out to be a very effective way to manage the looks of our kits. (:

Hmm seems a little confusing...

Not sure :/

Perhaps we could make it an informal thing at first, and if it starts up well, then we'll go on to actually making it a formal procedure

Starclaw wrote:Hmm seems a little confusing...

Not sure :/

Perhaps we could make it an informal thing at first, and if it starts up well, then we'll go on to actually making it a formal procedure

I agree with Starclaw

We should incorporate it into the profiles after if it's successful or not

We could always do that too, of course. I'm just putting it all out there while explaining it. Usually people don't use a lot of description or anything while asking for genetics. They usually just post a pic of the parents, say who's the mom, who's the dad, and then the geneticist does the rest of the work. Super easy.

Hmmm....Obviously the laws of genetics have had no real meaning here until now. I suppose had we used them before, the appearances of kits [including yours truly] would be very much different.
(What is the difference between short-hair, medium-hair, and long-hair?)

Let's try another experiment: Honeystar & Lotusflower [his first mate]

Honey's Phenotype: Basically like Honeyflower's
Lotusflower's Phenotype: Silver/ Blue-gray, short/medium fur (blue eyes). Supposedly has larger than average ears. Basically kinda like my avatar.

werepyer wrote:We could always do that too, of course. I'm just putting it all out there while explaining it. Usually people don't use a lot of description or anything while asking for genetics. They usually just post a pic of the parents, say who's the mom, who's the dad, and then the geneticist does the rest of the work. Super easy.

Cool! I like this idea!

But what if a geneticist is not available? If we're going to do this, shouldn't there be a Genetics Team (like the other staff members)??

@Silversplash
Well, that's what there is at the other site.

@Madhu
Go on WCRPG. I can't show you the link here. Can you show me a picture of Lotusflower[formerly Lotus-star, right?]

Medium fur is just weird, since it doesn't have its own allele. Also, silver are only tabbies, so she'll be either blue, lilac, or.....some smoke, IDK. Please post a pic!

Okay I sent you some samples. I guess she'd most likely be a Lilac then.

Her face is slate blue-ish, so I'm sure that she's a blue mink. She doesn't have the eyes of a point, or of a solid.

Actually, there isn't a need of having a Genetic Team. We members can help to control how our kits look. And please don't put names or even initials of other sites please. Thanks!

Okay, sorry.

But what do you mean by the members controlling how the kits look? This genetics thing is completely optional.

Werepyer... I don't really get this thing... could you explain it to me?

Is this about like for example...

A black tom and a black-she-cat are mates. They have a kit. So if its genetic, the kit should be black/white or black-and-white right? Is this what you mean?

Please call me Werepyre or Pyro. I had a small problem with my username...
Well, no. This isn't like Mendel's peas. Those had co-dominance, a trait common in dogs. Cats are completely different.

The white pelt of the she-cat is caused by the white masking gene, which covers her pelt color. The black pelt of the tom is caused by...him inheriting at least one allele for black from his parents, and at least one dense[makes pelt darker] allele from his parents.
Let's say that the queen was a white masking black, to make it simple. Then you would make it a black x black litter, but you would also add the option of white. If they were heterozygous for both density and black, then it would be a bit like this:
--- BD ---- bd [please ignore the dashes, I couldn't get the spacing to work...]
BD BBDD BbDd
bd BBDd bbdd

BBDD=Black
BBDd=black
BbDd=black
bbdd=lilac

So the litter possibilities would be:
Black, Lilac, White.

There are many more things than that, but that's the most basic gist there is. Is there any other questions?

Well I understand now. What is the point of this topic? To ask whether we ever thought of this idea? We could include that in the forum but it'll be optional. And its pretty confusing too because many members here can be as young as 8 or 9 so this would be pretty complicated ^-^

Well, this is an optional thing. Members don't need to do it. It's just like how members here don't need to make their cats COMPLETELY realistic, as I have figured out. The rules on reality here are a tad bit relaxed, so I know that some people will not want this. I'm just wondering if you would like this idea, if you think that this will work here. That's all. It's but a suggestion.

I like the idea, just saying

I think this is a good idea, Werepyre! A little confusing, but a fine idea. And in everyone's character sheet, they could also add whether they are heterozygous or homozygous.

Ex. heterozygous ginger she-cat with green eyes

Well, I think that that would truly confuse some people because the red locus is different than the black locus, and so forth. Also, if a cat is heterozygous for black, then there are a multitude of complexities that will just make it too confusing. This is because there are numerous alleles on the black locus.
If a person does a full genotype for someone's character, then yes, that would be entirely possible, and would make everyone less confused. The only problem is that sometimes takes a lot of work. If we can make genotypes for everybody, then your idea could work.

Thank you for your support though!

Oh, and thank you whoever changed my username! I really appreciate it very much.

I also think this is a good idea, Werepyre! I was a little bemused when I saw this at first, but after reading through your explainations, I think I get it. This could take some wrok, but it's an interesting idea.

Oh, that was probably Phoenixwing that changed your username.