What to think of Firestar?

I have no idea of what to think of Firestar. He seems to be perfect, but he's saved the clans many times. Can you change my mind about him?

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e is the most perfect cat in the series and does things that you'd expect any Gary Stu to do. But is also a hypocrite at the same time, loving Spottedleaf even though he tells off Graystripe about Silverstream. Next, he thinks that every clan's matter is his responsibility, which is a good reason for the other clan leaders to dislike him. Next, he abuses his authority and lets in many useless kittypets, like Daisy. Who insulted and almost ruined Brightheart and her marriage. It takes an attack from Onestar to tell him their not "BFFS!!!" And he often decides that not for the sake of his clan, but for his own selfish needs to help clans who are perfectly capable of caring for themselves.

He also breaks a third of the Warrior code, steals the signature moves of other clans and StarClan still loves him.

How can he be a gary-stu if he breaks the code? And what is a Gary-stu, exactly?

OMG. FIRESTAR. IS. A. WIMP.

He made Jayfeather give up his medi cat duties for a while just because he was scared that the clans would attack them. STAND UP FOR HIM!!!

HE IS A KITTYPET.

I AM ON TIGERSTAR'S SIDE ON THIS ONE. I HATE HIM D:<

The end :3

DragonMeteor wrote:How can he be a gary-stu if he breaks the code? And what is a Gary-stu, exactly?

It means he's perfect and does everything perfect and never does any thing wrong.

Firestar was just a bad choice to lead Thunderclan. Too many of his personality traits clashed with his leadership duties. We saw more than once that he was happy to put what he wanted before Thunderclan's welfare, and got off with, "Well, I'm being loyal to ______!" Please. When you become leader, part of the job is seeing the whole clan as your kin, putting each of their needs before yours, much like a medicine cat's. What if Graystripe hadn't come back? What if something had happened to Firestar, rendering him unable to lead? There would have been an exact repeat of the story that brought that code about. The warrior code exists for a reason, but Firestar only really followed it when it suited him, and acted like a total hypocrite over it.

On that note, Firestar pretty much chucked the warrior code out the window many times throughout his leadership. Once again, he got off with, "Well, I'm doing it for ______!" He acted like the boundaries didn't exist and he could prance onto whoever's territory he wanted. But when other clans did that to him? He got up in their faces about it. Smooth, Firestar. He completely abused the authority his leadership gave him. I wonder how he would have felt if Blackstar, Onestar, or Mistystar marched into his camp and told him, "Oh yeah, I need two of your cats to go on a long dangerous journey to an unfamiliar territory that they might not make it back from!" He never got over friendships that any other cat could see had ended moons ago. It took Onestar attacking his clan in the dead of night to make him see that they weren't pals anymore! Firestar could never get it through his incredibly thick skull that just because he was always trying to extend the olive branch didn't mean that other clans would take it.

Also, he seemed to have a lot less ill feelings about making Brambleclaw deputy after finding out that he was Squirrelflight's new mate. Can anyone else say unfair bias? And when a cat with half a brain brought up how Brambleclaw didn't have an apprentice, Firestar tried to patch up the booboo and said, "Well, I'll give him Berrynose in one more moon!" Come to think of it, why were they so quick to interpret the sign as "Make Brambleclaw deputy"? It could have easily meant Thornclaw. Maybe it wasn't even about a cat, maybe it was just something like, "Strengthen the walls so you don't get annihalated by badgers again!" I think everyone who played a part in that showed a little bias. Once again, Firestar bypassed the warrior code like it didn't matter.

And then there's the matter of his acceptance rules. "Oh, you're a cat? Welcome to Thunderclan!" No, I don't just hate him because of that. He couldn't see what his clanmates were warning him of, that Thunderclan was being weakened from the inside out. Daisy never even bothered to try learning. Purdy didn't do anything because he was an elder. Without a tail, Berrynose couldn't lead battle patrols. Millie spent more time in the medicine den fussing over her daughter than doing warrior duties. He almost accepted Sol, and probably would have if Sol hadn't moved to Shadowclan! I wonder how the other clans would have felt if it got out that Cloudtail publicly didn't believe in Starclan, and that Firestar had never tried to remedy it? Personally, I think he accepted Graystripe back into Thunderclan far too willingly after he came crawling back from Riverclan. He should have let his responsibility as leader take over and given Graystripe a suitable punishment for taking a Riverclan mate and then changing clans to get out of trouble. Tell me, does what I just described sound like a strong clan to you? Because it doesn't to me. These cats joined Thunderclan thinking it was free protection or some kind of adventure that never ended. When reality struck, half of them came close to packing up and heading home. Daisy did do that until they went to go get her, but that's beside the point. Thunderclan was plenty capable with its clanborn cats who knew how to survive whereever they went.

In conclusion, Firestar was simply the wrong choice to lead Thunderclan. He got a big head and acted like the warrior code didn't apply to him, then got up in anyone's face when they addressed that. He weakened Thunderclan from the inside, and then dumped it all on Bramblestar by "embracing his death" or whatever junk the Firefans are spewing now. So tell me, does Firestar really seem like such a great leader after what you just read? Because he doesn't to me.

He's a bad character. He lived for WAAAAAY too long, and HE'S SO PEACEFUL!!! THE SERIES IS CALLED WARRIORS, HE SHOULDN'T BE PEACEFUL!!!!

I agree with Moonsplash. The Erins basically made him the epitome of the "perfect warrior." He always prevails despite the hardships, he was always right, he always made the best decision, he was always the most reasonable and the most intelligent and the one who brings everyone to safety.

I mean really? It got old after the first mini-series.

Blackclaw wrote:Firestar was just a bad choice to lead Thunderclan. Too many of his personality traits clashed with his leadership duties. We saw more than once that he was happy to put what he wanted before Thunderclan's welfare, and got off with, "Well, I'm being loyal to ______!" Please. When you become leader, part of the job is seeing the whole clan as your kin, putting each of their needs before yours, much like a medicine cat's. What if Graystripe hadn't come back? What if something had happened to Firestar, rendering him unable to lead? There would have been an exact repeat of the story that brought that code about. The warrior code exists for a reason, but Firestar only really followed it when it suited him, and acted like a total hypocrite over it.

On that note, Firestar pretty much chucked the warrior code out the window many times throughout his leadership. Once again, he got off with, "Well, I'm doing it for ______!" He acted like the boundaries didn't exist and he could prance onto whoever's territory he wanted. But when other clans did that to him? He got up in their faces about it. Smooth, Firestar. He completely abused the authority his leadership gave him. I wonder how he would have felt if Blackstar, Onestar, or Mistystar marched into his camp and told him, "Oh yeah, I need two of your cats to go on a long dangerous journey to an unfamiliar territory that they might not make it back from!" He never got over friendships that any other cat could see had ended moons ago. It took Onestar attacking his clan in the dead of night to make him see that they weren't pals anymore! Firestar could never get it through his incredibly thick skull that just because he was always trying to extend the olive branch didn't mean that other clans would take it.

Also, he seemed to have a lot less ill feelings about making Brambleclaw deputy after finding out that he was Squirrelflight's new mate. Can anyone else say unfair bias? And when a cat with half a brain brought up how Brambleclaw didn't have an apprentice, Firestar tried to patch up the booboo and said, "Well, I'll give him Berrynose in one more moon!" Come to think of it, why were they so quick to interpret the sign as "Make Brambleclaw deputy"? It could have easily meant Thornclaw. Maybe it wasn't even about a cat, maybe it was just something like, "Strengthen the walls so you don't get annihalated by badgers again!" I think everyone who played a part in that showed a little bias. Once again, Firestar bypassed the warrior code like it didn't matter.

And then there's the matter of his acceptance rules. "Oh, you're a cat? Welcome to Thunderclan!" No, I don't just hate him because of that. He couldn't see what his clanmates were warning him of, that Thunderclan was being weakened from the inside out. Daisy never even bothered to try learning. Purdy didn't do anything because he was an elder. Without a tail, Berrynose couldn't lead battle patrols. Millie spent more time in the medicine den fussing over her daughter than doing warrior duties. He almost accepted Sol, and probably would have if Sol hadn't moved to Shadowclan! I wonder how the other clans would have felt if it got out that Cloudtail publicly didn't believe in Starclan, and that Firestar had never tried to remedy it? Personally, I think he accepted Graystripe back into Thunderclan far too willingly after he came crawling back from Riverclan. He should have let his responsibility as leader take over and given Graystripe a suitable punishment for taking a Riverclan mate and then changing clans to get out of trouble. Tell me, does what I just described sound like a strong clan to you? Because it doesn't to me. These cats joined Thunderclan thinking it was free protection or some kind of adventure that never ended. When reality struck, half of them came close to packing up and heading home. Daisy did do that until they went to go get her, but that's beside the point. Thunderclan was plenty capable with its clanborn cats who knew how to survive whereever they went.

In conclusion, Firestar was simply the wrong choice to lead Thunderclan. He got a big head and acted like the warrior code didn't apply to him, then got up in anyone's face when they addressed that. He weakened Thunderclan from the inside, and then dumped it all on Bramblestar by "embracing his death" or whatever junk the Firefans are spewing now. So tell me, does Firestar really seem like such a great leader after what you just read? Because he doesn't to me.

Bravo! *Claps*

I never understood why Erin made him the Fourth. I mean, come on. He was the subject of the first prophecy, lead the Clans into battle with BloodClan, rebuilt SkyClan, lead the Clans to the lake, had the prophecy of the Three in his mind forever, and so he is the Fourth? I personally think he shouldn't. He's done enough in my opinion

If you read through the books again, you can find several times he decided that he could break the Warrior Code as much as he wanted. From letting in Daisy, who didn't even try to be helpful, to being extremely annoying and cold, just because Brambleclaw looked like his dad. How cruel is that? Just imagine if you looked like some criminal and everyone gave you dirty looks?

Who's Fireheart?

At least three words per post, please

I loved him at first; the misunderstood hero who proved everyone wrong by advancing to leader at rapid speed. He went on dangerous adventures and always stuck out for his friends.

I think he was given too many important roles, though. And now thy I analyze it, I would hate it if my friends were as nosy as he was about my affairs and life xD

Having the first series about him was enough. He also lived way too long. He had so many accomplishments under his belt that it made plot twists and such so predictable.

I agree with him doing things for himself, often trying to persuade the Clan to believe in his actions and taking them along for the rough ride with him against their wishes sometimes, too. It was enough that he was the hero of ThunderClan as a young warrior; to make him the savior of the species was too great of a title for one character, no matter how prominent.

All of the main characters are related to him somehow, too; whether it's blood related, married type related, or I-met-you-before related.

Overall, a great character but overused; like a great song that's been overplayed on the radio.

This is my opinion. ^-^

Wow. My own opinion about Firestar could go on forever.

At first, I found him dashing. He was the perfect, helpful warrior that tried his hardest to stand up for what's right. But then, after the first book, hated him. He kept everything to himself, tried way too hard to seem like the best cat, and hated being wrong. His opinions strongly opposed mine, too, making me not have any more of a strong feeling for him.

He became a perfect character and advanced rapidly through the positions that made it really unrealistic. He was this big brave warrior that did everything that benefited HIM first, and THEN the Clan. Such as when he went to get Cloudpaw(tail) after Ravenpaw said he knew where he was, he thought of how much HE would want him before thinking of even going back to camp to ask the Clan.

So, basically, I find him too unrealistic and perfect. He barely was wrong, and chose many rash decisions that sometimes even his Clan opposed. I know I seem like this is more of fact, but I just have very buffed opinions about Firestar and as you can see, I'm trying very hard to strain myself from bursting to a rampage about Firestar. So, point proven, I just hate Firestar.

I don't have much to add that wasn't said already, but I did notice that no one mentioned Firestar's relationship with Longtail, or his behavior in Midnight.
I do not like Firestar, to put it lightly. He acts superior to the other leaders and constantly makes a foolish hypocrite of himself, and is overused constantly. Why was he the fourth? The only thing he really did was fight Tigerstar, and even if that was a pretty big deal, it still doesn't account for the fact that he was sitting his behind in camp and moaning about Spottedleaf the rest of the time.
But back to the things I mentioned earlier. Has anyone ever noticed that ever since Firestar's fight with Longtail, he's had a grudge against him since? Even when Longtail was doing something completley noble and selfless (showing affection and concern for his apprentice, Swiftpaw, or saving his own hide, for crying out loud!), he still tried to make him look like the bad guy. And then in Midnight, after Cinderpelt saw the sign that "Fire and Tiger will Destroy The Clan", Firestar immideatley assumed it meant Squirrelpaw and Brambleclaw, and started to treat them like rotten, filthy garbage. Did it never occur to him that it could have been referring to Leafpaw, his perfect daughter whom he thinks could NEVER do anything wrong, or Tawnypelt? That, and wouldn't treating the warriors that are supposedly going to bring your doom like dung motivate them to destroy you? Idiot!