If Snowfur Lived...

Hey! Do you agree with this picture? I'm not sure... Take a look:

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It's true if you think about it.

That's so true... I'd be like Scourge. "WHAT?!"

Well, Thistleclaw was already being trained by the Dark Forest, I think, so he would still be evil. I don't think it's entirely true.

Good point Maple, yeah, If you read both Bluestar's Prophecy and Crookedstar's promise, I don't think Snowfur had died when Crookedpaw met Thistleclaw.

I didn't read Crookedstar's Promise, but Brightstar told me a little. And yeah, Bluefur and Crookedjaw were definitely warriors when Snowfur died. It was after Whitestorm's birth, if I remember correctly.

if Thistlestrike was trained by the Dark Forest, that pretty much cuts off Snowfur's role, because he is still evil, which carries through to Tigerclaw, who is the reason Firestar became deputy and then leader; because he was loyal to Bluestar and helped her recognize the evil in him.

Maple: He wasn't evil when Snowfur was alive.

Well, he was really jealous at first, and the DF training turned that jealousy into evil when it could have been determination. So... I guess Snowfur's death did affect him a bit and made him more hateful.

That picture has some truth in it right there. If Snowfur hadn't died, it would be a lot different.

Thistleclaw was hateful before Snowfur died, but her death kind of drove him over the edge. Before, when Whitestorm was born, he still had his soft side. So... yeah.

He was just ambitious. *shrug* he wanted to be the best cat possible. Then she died and he lost it. He went to the dark forest and for tricked. I find it perfectly true.

Exactly! Snowfur's death probably enraged him, and his lonlieness turnednto evil, so he gave Tigerpaw the ambition he had and then that's how the series happened how it did. Yes, Graystripe would still go missing, They would still be in the new terrirory, but, Firestar wouldn't be caught in that fox trap and Tigerclaw would be alive, Also Bluestar Redtail and so on. (:

Would Firestar even be in the series is Snowfur was alive. He ran into Graypaw in the begining because Bluestar told him to keep an eye on Rusty because of the prophecy, but if Tigerstar/claw wasn't evil, there wouldn't need to be a prophecy and Squirrelflight and Leafpool wouldn't be born. Ravenpaw would still be in the clan, and Tigerclaw would still be in Thunderclan. Scourge probably wouldn't be evil because Tigerpaw and Thistleclaw wouldn't be mean to him as a kit. Skyclan would never be brought back together. Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Hollyleaf would never be born, and Cloudtail would never join Thunderclan. Whitewing, Dovewing, and Ivypool would never be born either. All cats killed by Tigerclaw would still be alive. Graystripe wouldn't have gotten captured by twolegs because there wouldn't be as many cats to rescue and he'd have more time to escape. He would have never met Millie, and Bumblestripe, Blossomfall, and Briarlight wouldn't be born. The Dark Forest would never have attacked because it was caused because Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Hollyleaf were born. There would be no Fire and Tiger prophecy. Cinderpelt would be a warrior and probably wouldn't be reborn as Cinderheart. Tigerstar would never be leader of Shadowclan. Graystripe and Fireheart wouldn't have taken their apprentices out together, so Cinderpaw wouldn't have run to the river and spotted the water vole, and Graystripe wouldn't have tried to catch it and wouldn't have fallen in and be saved by Silverstream. They would have never become mates, and Stormfur and Feathertail wouldn't be born. Feathertail wouldn't save the tribe. Most of the cats who went on the journey to find Midnight wouldn't be born. If Goldenflower's former unknown mate was killed by Tigerclaw, then, that cat could possibly be alive and she wouldn't be mates with Tigerclaw, and Brambleclaw, and Tawnypelt wouldn't be born. That means Flametail, Tigerheart, and Dawnpelt wouldn't be born.

That does not make sense to me, at all. Thistleclaw was a bossy, violent, preachy dictator before Snowfur died. He was disrespectful to Bluefur, and always rooted for the most bloody solution possible when it came to Clan disputes, even as an apprentice. For me, Snowfur's death just gave Thistleclaw an excuse to hate Bluefur even more. Snowfur living or dying wouldn't change Thistleclaw's evil nature, or the chain of events it caused.

I dont think so. Sure he was violent, but he wouldn't murder anyone or hurt anyone in any way. I actually liked him before he became evil. He wasn't perfect or bad, just average. Snowfur's death pushed him over the edge. Thistle law didn't know that it wasn't Bluefur's fslt for Snowfur's death, and that was obviously the easiest thing for him to believe. Plus he was grief-stricken because he lost his mate and wasn't thinking clearly. He just made a simple mistake. *shrugs* by the way, this is just my opinion. This is what I believe. ^_^

Thistleclaw was already training in the dark forest when Snowfur died. So I don't think there is a difference.

No he wasn't! He was alive! Thistle claw was her mate. >.>

I think Sunbeam meant that Thistleclaw was training in the Dark Forest. Not actually dead.

Oops. Sorry. Thanks, Brightstar, I'll edit it.

lol, you called her Snowfields. anyways, if she didn't die, The final battle wouldn't have even happened. it was tigerstars, idea to destroy the clans.

I fixed it. On my kindle it auto corrected it.
Also none of the three would have been born, and the tribe would have been destroyed by Sharptooth.

and if monsters hadn't existed, then the whole series would change XD

:O The olden days warriors! Farm animals pulling wood on wheels! :O LOL! XD Well, Snowfur died and well, The series wouldn't be very interesting if Tigerpaw weren't evil, or Hawkfrost hadn't attempted to kill Firestar (To be honest I wanted to see how things had turned out if Brambleclaw had finished the job :/) and stuff.

I finnaly read Blustars Prophecy, so I understand now. Thistleclaw was a jerk. He called Bluefur soft-hearted, because she din't want his apprentice to kill a kit.

Lunarlight please do not bring back old topics. This is not the first time you have been warned. And try to add as much as possible to the discussion. Your above post is only vaguely related to the topic, which is about Snowfur.